Candidate Signage II

[Rubicon]

[CopaDave]

CopaDave, did the embarrassing, obscene, and crude jeers from the likes of Thomasmagnum, Fat Girl, et. al.

Actually, it was both sides acting like children.  Instead of coming out and saying "the phone number is in small black type above the border of the sign," a challenge was tossed out like a school-yard taunt.

I pointed out a observation.  It would have taken 2, maybe 3, replies for someone to point out the location of the phone number on the sign, and that would have been it.

Instead, we had a mud fest going on.  I don't care who was slinging what at whom. It was time to end it.

And, it may surprise you to realize, not everyone slinging mud is a Diedrich supporter.  Some of them just hate Vincent's guts.

[Thomasmagnum]

Wow Rubicon do you somrhow know the content of my email to the Price campaign? Obviously not. My email was professional in wording and respectful in tone. That email was sent well prior to Vincent being involved in the conversation in any way.

I will admit I have absolutely zero respect for Vincent or his tactic here in attempting to promote Mr. Price. I find Vincent to be smarmy and insincere. Furthermore I did mock Vincent's last name and call him an idiot. That was done in regards to his constant insistance that he knows my views. He knows absolutely nothing of them. In fact he has just decide what they are on his own.
Doing that is idiotic.

I notice you neatly missed referring to any Vincent's attack against other members here. You know like his constant assertion that a perfect stranger to him is an alcoholic ...
Done in spite of numerous uninvolved persons informing him the individual doesn't even drink.
Very classy.

[Rubicon]

Wow Rubicon do you somehow know the content of my email to the Price campaign? Obviously not.

You sure about that? 

My email was professional in wording and respectful in tone.

So why use the F word or find ways to slip "vagina" into names here? Because it's just a message board, but you put your best foot forward when interacting in a more "professional" venue? Classy people are classy, even when they're not in "formal" situations. Your behavior here belies the ostensible "conservative" tagline on your posts. You act much more like Hollywood liberals at the Academy Awards (#*&%?!) ----- unless you're sending a "gotcha!" email to a campaign, in which case you pretend to put a veneer of professionalism and respect in it.

I notice you neatly missed referring to any Vincent's attack against other members here. You know like his constant assertion that a perfect stranger to him is an alcoholic ...

I *have* agreed that Vincent's manner is often not flattering to his cause, and I'll bet his behavior here will improve as a result of this exchange. But Vincent, on his worst day, does not use the language that his haters here do, and there's something to be said for that. There's a difference between juvenile "you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny" insults ("put down the crack pipe," "you're drunk," etc.) and using the vulgarity that Vincent's haters here do. I'm constantly amazed that these posters are real people, people's moms and dads, sons and daughters, freely using the F word, genitilia, and excrement to refer to other people (who are also real people, people's moms and dads, sons and daughters).

It may have helped had moderators/administrators here actually moderated or administered, at some point, but maybe they like the raw crudeness of it all. "Just keepin' it real."

Maricopachat is far more classy.

[Fat Girl]

Rubicon...last I checked Freedom of speech is a constitutional right we are all guaranteed...

You have the freedom to choose to go elsewhere anytime you want if you don't like the words used...


Vagina, penis, ass, poop and piss are all words anyone is free to use....in fact many of them are even said on television... and in medical offices and they are even in dictionaries...If they are words folks choose to use to express themselves that is their choice.

You may choose not to, that is your choice....but like so many other freedoms this country allows us all... you do not get to decide for others what they get to say...

If other places are more "classy", by all means frequent that chat area.....I am relatively certain no one here is going to be sad to see you go....

Perhaps,  we will all see less of you....







 

[Desert Dweller]

Rubicon,

If you lurked for a month before signing up and observed a lack of moderation or administration, why the hell did you sign up?  To enlighten us?

[Thomasmagnum]

So tell me the content of my email and address I sent it from?

The tone and language I use in my posts are my choice not yours or anyone else's. The words I choose to use convey my thoughts and level of of respect I have for the person being addressed. I'd bet most people understand that concept, and a good many practice similarly whether they admit it or not. I am far from the first person to address someone whom  I have no respect for in a less than respectful tone or using less than respectful verbage. Nor am I the worst example of such.

If my language or demanor concern you further perhaps consider our discussion here versus the engagements with Vincent, and the fundamental differences therein.

[mia]

Vincent got all out of shape and started twisting facts (I call that lying) about the time the Price interview with a Wall Street Journal from a few year ago was posted here. In the article Price was quoted as saying that lower class people were moving to Maricopa Meadows.

[Pet Social Worker]

Phone #'s have been on Diedrich for Mayor signs since day one. No need to add or re-print. Carl was always aware of the law.

[xiØn]

Lower class people are moving to ALL areas of Maricopa. That is a fact.

[Rubicon]

Rubicon,

If you lurked for a month before signing up and observed a lack of moderation or administration, why the hell did you sign up?  To enlighten us?

Oh, you know. Just exercisin' my freedom of speech rights . . . 

In a word: balance. I got tired of the lopsided, one-sided echo chamber here. As we all know, die-hard supporters of either side are not going to be convinced to change their views or votes by anything. But, for other lurkers or those who read but don't post much, and for those who really haven't made up their mind and really are open to what both sides say, the balance can help them see that the small sample size in this echo chamber doesn't represent reality --- that it's one side, but by no means the whole story.

It's also fun to give certain people some cognitive dissonance (the feeling in the back of their minds that they might be called on things, even in "protected turf" like this place).

You could hear some heads explode a mile away with Vincent Manfredi's "gotcha," and the thread was hastily closed . . .

[Rubicon]

Rubicon...last I checked Freedom of speech is a constitutional right we are all guaranteed...

Agreed. Which extends to me as well as you . . .

You have the freedom to choose to go elsewhere anytime you want if you don't like the words used...

Of course. And the right to point out obscenity, vulgarity, and crudeness (and possible hypocrisy in the posted forum rules).

Vagina, penis, ass, poop and piss are all words anyone is free to use....in fact many of them are even said on television...

Oh, okay. Let's all just throw them around Tourette's style, then. I mean, they *are* on TV, like Fat Girl says . . .

and in medical offices and they are even in dictionaries

Um . . . . the context is a little bit different with "medical offices" and "dictionaries," isn't it?


...If they are words folks choose to use to express themselves that is their choice.

but like so many other freedoms this country allows us all... you do not get to decide for others what they get to say...

That's absolutely true, and nobody argued otherwise.

If other places are more "classy", by all means frequent that chat area.....I am relatively certain no one here is going to be sad to see you go....

Oh, no doubt about *that.* 

Hypothetically speaking, if I were to be banned from this forum, would all of the people wrapping themselves in the 1st Ammendment rise up in my defense, outraged that my freedom of speech rights were being stifled?

I'm guessing not . . .







 


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[CopaDave]

You could hear some heads explode a mile away with Vincent Manfredi's "gotcha," and the thread was hastily closed . . .

There was no "gotcha," since I don't read anything he writes. Pictures were posted that showed the phone number.  I went back and magnified the photos I had taken, and the number is visible on them, once you know where to look.

That solved the question, and the thread was locked, because it had become a back-and-forth sling-fest.  If y'all want to go back to thrashing on each other, I'll unlock it again.

[Rubicon]

Rubicon,

If you lurked for a month before signing up and observed a lack of moderation or administration, why the hell did you sign up?  To enlighten us?

DD, as an administrator here, what are your thoughts about the level of obscenity here? We've established that people have the right to say anything they want however they want ---- no argument there.

But, do you feel that '360's obscenity (by certain posters) is

a) a good thing ---- 1st Ammendment in action!

b) a bad thing ---- it would be great if people were less low-class

c) a neutral thing ---- doesn't matter one way or another

[Desert Dweller]

There is an obscene filter that people are free to use if profane language language bothers them.  It's not fool proof, so there's an ignore feature so that people can just ignore those they find offensive.

There is obscenity everywhere.  For those who don't like it, they can avoid places that make them feel uncomfortable.  I am not going to spend time deciding what's a dirty word and chastise the speaker.  There's a big difference between "I don't want to hear it" and "You can't say it".

I am of the belief that people can be as obscene through their actions and the way they conduct themselves as they can through their speech.  I don't like the personal battles that have take place here recently but then they were brought on by one person intentionally aggravating another, provoking a reaction, and then crying foul when people react to the provocation.