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Rifle Query
« on: 01 February 2012, 23:44:22 »
Currently researching rifles, from 17hmr/22lr up. Trying to find an affordable, balanced rifle that functions well and uses affordable ammo. Bolt, semi, lever, or pump are all possible. Full size to carbine. It doesn't matter whether it's new, used, milsurp, or whatnot as long as it's in good shape. Looking for some recommendations.

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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #1 on: 02 February 2012, 07:02:18 »
Personally I would look for a used bolt action .223 Remington with no preference on brand. Stick to a major brand like Remington, Ruger, Savage etc. and you will have a realiable, accurate  rifle that will last several lifetimes.
.223 ammo is cheap to shoot, powerful enough for deer(with the right bullets) and light enough for small game.
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #2 on: 02 February 2012, 08:05:29 »
I have a single action 223 I'd be willing to part with
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #3 on: 02 February 2012, 10:27:37 »
Chunk, I don't have the funds at the moment, but what is it you have? Picture? Make?
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #4 on: 02 February 2012, 11:03:59 »
His rifle is either the NEF single shot or the H&R 1871 I can't recall which, but they are the same rifle. They are cheap, accurate, and dead reliable.
Its the heavy barreled Varmint/Target rifle version with a 1:12" rifling twist and an 11 degree target crown. It generally is a gun that will shoot 1" three shot group at 100 yards given good  ammunition. The gun really shined with Black Hills 52gr BTHP rounds shooting groups around .5" -.75" at 100 yards.

I traded him the rifle a while back. It was a good one.
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #5 on: 02 February 2012, 11:09:11 »
Mosin Nagant?


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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #6 on: 02 February 2012, 11:10:09 »
How did I know you'd say that Kendo?
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #7 on: 02 February 2012, 11:19:25 »
Quote from: Thomasmagnum on 02 February 2012, 11:03:59
His rifle is either the NEF single shot or the H&R 1871 I can't recall which, but they are the same rifle. They are cheap, accurate, and dead reliable.
Its the heavy barreled Varmint/Target rifle version with a 1:12" rifling twist and an 11 degree target crown. It generally is a gun that will shoot 1" three shot group at 100 yards given good  ammunition. The gun really shined with Black Hills 52gr BTHP rounds shooting groups around .5" -.75" at 100 yards.

I traded him the rifle a while back. It was a good one.


Yup that one.  I traded it for my Ruger Security Six.  It is very accurate and reliable.  It doesnt drift much as the barrel gets hot, a little to the right, but youd have to be shooting the hell out of it to get the barrel hot since its so thick.  I just prefer my bolt action 270, it shoots flatter and has better optics.  I have an old Portugese bolt action 22LR too, but thats mainly for the kid to use.

I could always bring it over after work sometime, I live in the next subdivision over...

I havent even thought about price or anything, we can probably discuss offline if youre interested.  I'm only offering it because you are looking for something, and its one that I dont get much use out of.

Oh because of the twist I wouldnt recommend using the 55 gr ammo, I'd stay in the 70s or else it could get over stabilized
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #8 on: 02 February 2012, 11:20:06 »
Its the only gun I can afford to have two of, lol

It is basically a 30-06 round, the ammo is $80 per 440, and the 91/30 is accurate enough to hunt with if needed.

Almost everyone who has shot mine owns one now.
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #9 on: 02 February 2012, 11:37:59 »
The 1:12" twist is about optimum for 55gr and lower bullets.
To spin 70gr+ you need at least 1:9 or even better 1:8".  My .223 AI built for shooting 75gr Amax bullets is 1:9" but its also 200fps faster than the .223 Remington. The longer the bullet the faster you have to twist it to get it stabilized.
1:12 is one full rotation in every 12" of barrel length.
1:9 is one in 9" etc. etc. etc.

Its harder to over stabilize a bullet (nose up flight losing b.c./increasing drag) than is to under stabillize one (tumbling and keyholeing).

The man quoted in my signature was one of the pioneers of tailoring rifling twist to bullet selection for the gun makers in the 50's-50's..
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #10 on: 02 February 2012, 11:57:35 »
Mosin-Nagants are fun.
Super cheap...
Fairly accurate...
Super cheap to feed...
I've had a couple of good ones, but never kept them very long.  They just never really scratched my itch I guess.  My first one was bought at Big 5 in about '97 when they first were being imported in big quantities. I bought it for $59+ tax
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #11 on: 02 February 2012, 12:06:35 »
I got mine from Big 5 a few years ago for $108 out the door, prices are definitely going up and it isn't just inflation.  I tell people to buy 'em cheap and stack em deep while they can still afford to! Look what happened to the folks who waited to buy an SKS (like me) and can't afford them now.

A Mosin is an insanely good gun for under $150.  Start paying more than that and your purposes are probably better served by other rifles.

EDITED TO ADD:  don't buy one sight-unseen, you need to be able to inspect the bore and barrel, some of these rifles can be in really bad shape. 
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« Reply #12 on: 02 February 2012, 12:15:14 »
Quote from: Thomasmagnum on 02 February 2012, 11:37:59
The 1:12" twist is about optimum for 55gr and lower bullets.
To spin 70gr+ you need at least 1:9 or even better 1:8".  My .223 AI built for shooting 75gr Amax bullets is 1:9" but its also 200fps faster than the .223 Remington. The longer the bullet the faster you have to twist it to get it stabilized.
1:12 is one full rotation in every 12" of barrel length.
1:9 is one in 9" etc. etc. etc.

Its harder to over stabilize a bullet (nose up flight losing b.c./increasing drag) than is to under stabillize one (tumbling and keyholeing).

The man quoted in my signature was one of the pioneers of tailoring rifling twist to bullet selection for the gun makers in the 50's-50's..

Oops,was bass ackwards in the recomendation.
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #13 on: 02 February 2012, 12:33:31 »
Easy to do.
Twist is a vexxing issue in the world of assorted rifle gack...
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Re: Rifle Query
« Reply #14 on: 05 February 2012, 19:56:47 »
You can get a Yugoslavian SKS for under $250.  7.62x39 ammo is cheap also
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