Gubenitorial Debates 09/01/2010

[Chunk]

Wow, I had no idea Terry Goddard was so far out there.  Anyway, did anyone else watch?  Reactions?

[Tigg]

I had school last night. . . what'd they have to say?

[Chunk]

Mostly Terry Goddard and Jan Brewer argued with each other, and Jan had some uncomfortable pauses in places that she really shouldnt have.  Terry was in full politician mode and blamed everything on Jan, then told her she needed to stop blaming things on the previous governer.  A lot of hypocrisy and unfounded accusations on both sides.

One guy the Liberitarian looked like a walking skeleton, kind of like the cult leader from Poltergeist 2, but I admired the cajones on his border security stance, although dont think it would work in the real world.  The other guy from Yuma from the "Green" party will get about .1% of the votes if that.

Again, its down to the lesser of the evils, and whatever Jan is hiding is hopefully less than what Terry showed his true colors to be like.

[mallardisme]

Here is KTAR's wrap up:
http://ktar.com/category/local-news-articles/20100901/Brewer,-Goddard-spar-in-debate/

One thing she was grilled on had to do with "headless bodies" in the desert. It had to do with a comment she made to Fox news.

There are no reports of "Headless Bodies" being found. It was a statement used for dramatic effect.

[Chunk]

What? You dont believe everything Jan says?!  You must be anti-American!!

[mallardisme]

I am plenty 'Murican. LOL

Actually, she came clean today and said the headless bodies were in Mexico, not The US, and not Arizona.

The only reason, IMO, she has popularity is because of her illegal stance. She has been horrible with our economy, and that was a great diversion for her political career.

[Tigg]

I am plenty 'Murican. LOL

Actually, she came clean today and said the headless bodies were in Mexico, not The US, and not Arizona.

The only reason, IMO, she has popularity is because of her illegal stance. She has been horrible with our economy, and that was a great diversion for her political career.

I suspect that if she hadn't f*'d everything else up so badly, she wouldn't be putting as much fight into illegal immigration as she is.  She's using it, very effectively, as a distractor from the disaster that is everything else she has done.

[Desert Dweller]

Yeah, from what I saw, she definitely stepped on her dick. 

I don't believe in the argument that you shouldn't say anything bad about what's happening in Arizona because you will scare away the tourists.  That's horse crap.  You say what's true, and if the tourists don't like it, they can stay away. 

Jan's problem is that she allowed the media to capitalize on the beheading months ago when she first mentioned it.  She should have corrected it then - while there weren't any beheadings on this side of the border that we know of, there were murders in the desert, home invasions in Phoenix and Tucson, and a whole plethora of other drug and human traffic related violence.  The media went for the sound bite and she let them run with it.  I blame her political advisers.

I also blame whoever the incompetent jackasses are that should have been coaching her on the debate.  I am not necessarily a Brewer fan, but I am definitely not a Goddard fan.  He is going to bring us the same style of lukewarm vomit that Janet Napalitano did.  Sam Goddard is spinning in his grave.

[mallardisme]

Very amusing dialogue here. http://tinyurl.com/23dm3gr

I want someone that can speak on their feet. Brewer is not one. I don't see anyone that can out here. In November, once again, we will be forced to choose either Tweetle Dee or Tweetle Dum.


In the end we will be stuck with whoever is NOT hated the most.

As a voter, I am just frustrated.

[EdB]

I thought I read something about 6 debates scheduled, but now she is saying she ain't doing any more of 'em.  IF the plan was to have more debates (and I can't find a published schedule though so it ain't so if it ain't linked seems reasonable) and she's backing out now because she (a) can't recite a prepared opening statement and (b) can't find her place in her own notes and (c) apparently has no intention of answering a very clear question then she seriously needs to get out of public office.

TG seems to have a pretty good record in his current job, but that doesn't mean he'll be good (or bad) as a Governor.  And it seems what he's into doing is laying all that is bad and wrong on Brewer's lap, which is a completely predictable and time-honored tactic for the wanna-be when things ain't so good, but it doesn't help me think "yeah he's good".

But she's obviously not capable of handling something that should be a walk in the park.  I mean how hard can it be to recite your own prepared statement?

[mallardisme]

Bingo Ed. What sux for me is that there is nobody that is fit to handle the job at hand.

I am so sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.

And people wonder why voter turnout is so low.

Both parties are at fault. Put someone up worth voting for. (Yes, I know there are independants, ect... in the end they will get 3% of the vote)

[Desert Dweller]

Reasons why qualified, capable, honest candidates don't run for office:

1.  The pay sucks
2.  It costs a fortune to get elected
3.  To everyone who contributed to your campaign, you owe a favor later when you're elected
4.  Every aspect of your life is subject to public scrutiny


Why the hell does anyone want to subject themselves to that unless they have a tremendous ego, lots of cash, a lack of principles and ethics, and they don't give a poop what people say about them?

[EdB]

http://www.azcleanelections.gov/home/video/generaldebatevids2010/GenGov.aspx for those who might want to spend an hour doing something other than touching their private parts.  Actually, trust me on this, you can watch while touching but there isn't much motivation if ya know what I mean.

I read something in a book once that made me think "yeah that'll work".  APPOINT people to public offices.  SoSec numbers pulled from a hat.  If you meet some sort of minimum age then you have a new temporary job for a while.  The theory is most folk would try to do the best they could, and the worst abuses would be tempered by all the other folks doing their jobs in various offices and whatnot.  Bye-bye being beholden to those who funded you cuz the whole shebang would basically be a lottery.

Anyway I just found the full debate on that website so I'm gonna go get a clean sock and make the best of it.

[Tigg]

Reasons why qualified, capable, honest candidates don't run for office:

1.  The pay sucks
2.  It costs a fortune to get elected
3.  To everyone who contributed to your campaign, you owe a favor later when you're elected
4.  Every aspect of your life is subject to public scrutiny


Why the hell does anyone want to subject themselves to that unless they have a tremendous ego, lots of cash, a lack of principles and ethics, and they don't give a poop what people say about them?

Exactly.  The people who are qualified enough to do the job well are smart enough not to want the job.

[EdB]

Skeletor Hess needs to lay off the meth.  Grampa Gist needs to stop nipping the bottle when the camera is off him.  Jan barely recovered from her obvious fumble but finally scored a few points with "where's your plan Terry" but IMHO too little too late.  Terry did better than I was able to find out about without actually watching the debate, though I wish I was able to find his plan to bring jobs to AZ that he mentioned frequently.

I think Terry nailed Jan to a cross on the prison breakout thing, but what could Jan do?  I mean, one of her owners is the guy who runs the company that gets all the private prison business in AZ so it's not like she could say anything against that whole deal.

All things being considered I'm probably gonna vote for Grampa Gist.  He didn't say a lot and what he said didn't matter is why.