Author Topic: Arizona DPS announces the expiration of the Statewide Photo Enforcement Contract  (Read 2310 times)

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2,758,700 people were flashed? so, presumably almost 3 million cars passed the cameras at least 11 mph over the limit. kinda sounds like we need a higher speed limit!
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Kinda sounds to me like 3 million people need to take their foot off their f'ing accelerators!
The world would be a nicer place if everyone took a chill pill.

It would get even better is some just choked on it.

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Probably more like 500,000 folks needed to take the foot of the accelerators....

It seems from the news articles and stuff on the actual number of violators for that 2,000,000+ activiations there were many "frequent flyers"

The guy in the monkey and giraffe masks had like 50 violations himself...

Some chick in the EVO had more than that....

VArious sports folks made the news with multiple violations...

THen there was all the ruckus about all the activations being sent for various policing entities and government vehicles over the speed limits....   


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At least the photo van was responsible for one DUI arrest.....

That would be the driver of the van that was so hammered he kept smashing into the curb after his shift.
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Speed limits are arbitrary.  Okay, having said that, of course we need some guidelines otherwise people would be doing 85 on residential streets.  However, to take an arbitrary number and then criminalize a person for going over it doesn't contribute at all to safety.

Example:  Someone has a 1973 Corolla.  It has brake problems, three different sizes of tires, worn suspension, and it's been in at least four collisions.  This car is unsafe at any speed.  Handling is compromised as well as the ability to stop.  However, as long as this guy stays below 65 MPH, he's legal right next to you on the 347. 

Another Example:  Gertrude is 87.  She has glaucoma, macular degeneration, arthritis, and mild dementia.  She hasn't taken a driving test in 45 years.  The last time she renewed her license in Arizona, Bing Crosby was still alive and her license is still valid.  Gertrude is more of a hazard at 25 MPH than most drivers would be at 95 MPH.  If the goal is to improve safety, test drivers with a written test and physical skills test at least every five years.

My point is that how safe a vehicle is on the roadway at a given speed is directly related to the design and condition of the vehicle and the experience and skill of the driver.  While we certainly need speed limits, we can't be treating them as if they are absolute.  They're not.  That's a really good reason to have citations issued by a human being rather than a machine.  He will be able to see that Gertrude needs some intervention and act accordingly.  He will also be able to issue a hand full of equipment violations to the guy driving the Corolla.  Both of those citations will do something ti keep you safe.  Flashing someone and giving them a ticket for going 11 MPH over the speed limit will not.





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I'm not at all a supporter of photo tickets. I'm also not a supporter of raising the speed limits.
Yes, some professionally trained people can handle 95 mph, but VERY few of us can safely do that. No matter what speed limit is set people are going to drive 10-20 over it because they think they can, then they get in a txting fight with their spouse and they kill people!
The world would be a nicer place if everyone took a chill pill.

It would get even better is some just choked on it.

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It is not the speed that kills.
It is the difference.
A car going 76 MPH is not going to be more dangerouse than one going 74MPH simply due to the exact number on the speedometer.

This is why we have officers that are trined to see speeders AND people that are doing a speed different than the flow of traffic. They look for that difference. That difference is what makes a driver more dangerous. He is most likely driving aggresivly and is weaving lanes. He may be tailgating as well. THESE are the things that need to be looked at.

Don't forget doing 65MPH in a 65MPH zone can be ticketable, if the conditions don't allow for that speed.

Yet a few other things that our mechanical overlords have no ability to take into account.

Ba-Bye evil revenue maker. Hello real law enforcement.
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I find it funny that most of the opponents to photo-radar are in the same population as the "what part of illegal do you not understand" anti-SB 1070 crowd..


"I have to show ID when I get pulled over, what's the big deal?"

akin to: "I have to abide by a certain speed limit.. What's the big deal?"


seems pretty ironic.. dontcha-think?



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"What part of ILLEGAL do you NOT understand!"

Really?  Well.. What part of UNCONSTITUTIONAL do YOU not comprehend?

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WHY do you have to provide ID when you drive? WHY do you HAVE to submit to a blood test, urine test When driving a car?


Oh yea, you signed up for that when you asked to drive a car. LOL

If you walk on the street, buy something in cash, and don't rob a bank, should you be required to have ID?

No. SB 1070 says the same.

Rhode Island has had this in place for almost 4 years.

It will be fun... If the feds win this case, there will be many laws that wi drop from the books. (California, Texas, South Dakoda....)


Wouldn't this have been easier if the feds enforced law? I truly think that theis is the real isse, and profiling is a side-bar

Just sems like a waste from here, to me.
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Personally,  I  like  Montana's  speed  limit  on  highways  (at  least  it  was,  not  sure  if  it  still  is).  The  speed  limit  on  highways  was  'safe  and  prudent' -  that's  what  was  posted  and  enforced.  Speed  was  judged  based  on  the  vehicle  being  driven,  the  traffic  &  weather  conditions,  and  the  ability  of  the  driver  to  maintain  control  at  the  speed  of  travel.  Common  sense  determined  if  you  were  speeding.

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I know it is whacky, but driving a car is not a right.
You actually sign up for driving and you sign up to allow law enforcement judge you.

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Oh yea, you signed up for that when you asked to drive a car. LOL

If you walk on the street, buy something in cash, and don't rob a bank, should you be required to have ID?

No. SB 1070 says the same.

Rhode Island has had this in place for almost 4 years.

Rhode Island Law does not throw "innocent until proven guilty" into the trash.. neither does it poop on the 5th Amendment..

Now, driving is a privilege.. not a right.. That said.. a PASSENGER has NO OBLIGATION to carry an ID.. and neither do I if I'm walking (or biking) up to QT to buy a soda.. Oh ya.. per FEDERAL LAW, a LEGAL ALIEN under 14 is NOT required to carry identification..

... I'll also state that my United States Citizen under-15-year-old-children are not required to carry ID.. but CAN be subject to "lawful stops".. and therefore.. the Officers (pursuant to SB1070) may be REQUIRED to detain them if they "deem" them "illegal"..

SB 1070 is a direct violation of all of that..

The faster people stop using "I have to show ID" for traffic stops to justify 1070, the smarter they may become...

-Shane
"What part of ILLEGAL do you NOT understand!"

Really?  Well.. What part of UNCONSTITUTIONAL do YOU not comprehend?

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I'm sorry but those cameras were just dangerous.. people felt the need to slam on their brakes because they were doing 76 and felt they had  to drop to 65.  Now being a safe driver, I never ran my car into their asses.. but I gtd it did happen and happen often.

I'm glad they are gone.. I have a heavy foot, I won't deny it.. but I don't drive 40 plus around the RED parkway, or over 40 in a 35, or go over 15 in a school zone..  but I do speed on the freeway it's different driving..

Anyway.. Shane I'm with you on your post.. but I think you and I are way out-numbered on that one. ;)

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Anyway.. Shane I'm with you on your post.. but I think you and I are way out-numbered on that one. ;)

There are those that say it is harder to be in the minority when it is right than taking the easy route and joining the mob majority...

Our Founding Fathers (you know, those people that "Conservatives-In-Name-Only" like to spout off about in support of their view of patriotism) rejected democracy for the sole reason that they knew that they wanted to prevent "Tyranny by the Majority."  SB 1070 is a prime example of what the Founding Fathers would have fought against..

History people.... know your roots and how our country was founded (not directed at you snooze.. :) )

-Shane
"What part of ILLEGAL do you NOT understand!"

Really?  Well.. What part of UNCONSTITUTIONAL do YOU not comprehend?